Sicko Part I - Why Michael Moore is flat out wrong about healthcare...

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I just watched Michael Moore's new movie, "Sicko." Today, I'd like to talk about what I saw.

This is not my usual solution-oriented blog about health problems. 

But stay with me, because I want to help you understand what has to happen for meaningful change to occur in our "sick" healthcare system.

And it is NOT what Michael Moore suggests.

Now back to the movie. 

I must say I was disappointed. I was hoping for a novel look at the problem of not only access to healthcare, but of the type of healthcare that is practiced.

Don't get me wrong.

I'm all for more access to healthcare, better healthcare, and lower costs.

But I am not for getting more people access to a broken healthcare system that creates more problems than it solves.

Consider this.

Our healthcare system itself is the leading cause of death overall, followed by heart disease and cancer!

If our healthcare system is responsible for more than 700,000 deaths a year from medical errors, hospital infections, bed sores, surgical errors, drug reactions, and more, which lead to an extra $250 billion in costs, do we want more people to be exposed to this type of care?

I don't think so!

Moore's answer to all our healthcare woes is to have a single payer system, like Canada. 

I went to medical school and internship in Canada -- and I can tell you, the picture is not as rosy as it seems.  I worked with a poor family doctor who had to see more than 50 patients a day just to earn a basic living.

And when the doctors went on strike because they were unhappy with the system, the death rate actually went down. 

If the Canadian healthcare system is so great, why have so many of my medical school class migrated south of the border to the US?

Universal coverage may be part of the solution -- or not -- but Moore really missed the whole point.

If we improve a broken system just by reorganizing how it is paid for, we still have a broken system. 

He didn't address that in any way.

In fact, Moore's movie is a distraction from the real problem. 

The type of medicine we are practicing is antiquated, often dangerous, and based on the wrong premises and outdated approaches. 

Instead, it must be founded on the laws of biology that help us address the true causes of disease, not just find better drugs or procedures to deal with them once they occur.

Getting more people access to the wrong treatments does not help us in the long term to create a sustainable model of health for society.

The thing Moore misses is a direct discussion and analysis of the lack of QUALITY in our healthcare system. 

And quality is defined as the health of our population, which is clearly worse than almost every developed nation and worse than many third world countries.  We are 45th in life expectancy, coming after Bosnia and just ahead of Albania!

I do not dispute the inherent problems in healthcare, where the whole system profits from reducing access to care, denying care, avoiding preventive care, or shifting costs to employers.

When Starbucks pays more for the healthcare of its employees than it does for coffee beans, then we know we are in trouble.

What Michael Moore ignores is that the entire ecosystem of business and products and services related to the health of our population has its whole orientation backwards.

You see, the healthcare industry and the food industry profit from us being sick and fat.   All the incentives are backwards. 

==>  Until it is PROFITABLE for everyone to help create health rather than disease, we will not thrive as a society.  

So we need to find a way to line up all the incentives for everyone involved in healthcare:

* For the insurers (or government, which actually pays 60 percent of all healthcare bills through Medicaid, Medicare, the VA, tax deductions, and other incentives);
* The pharmaceutical industry;
* The hospital industry;
* The food industry, where the sale of products that support health would bring in more profits than foods that destroy health; and
* The doctors, who would be paid more for creating health than doing procedures.

Marion Nestle, PhD, professor of Nutrition and Food Studies at New York University says:

"It is difficult to think of any major industry that might benefit if people ate less food; certainly not the agriculture, food product, grocery, restaurant, diet, or drug industries. All flourish when people eat more, and all employ armies of lobbyists to discourage governments from doing anything to inhibit overeating." (1)

Clearly, something needs to change.

"Sicko" did have some interesting points.

The best part of the film was the part where a British doctor described how he was paid more for helping people lose weight, stop smoking, improve their blood sugar, and lower their cholesterol.

If an American doctor does that, he or she LOSES money.  The British doctors actually get a BONUS for keeping people healthy!

The American doctor gets paid thousands of dollars for doing angioplasties and stent procedures and maybe 30 dollars for talking to someone about their cholesterol. 

Though doctors are generally well meaning, well-intentioned people, the healthcare system appeals to their dark side.

Do more procedures, provide more invasive care, and get paid more -- EVEN if it ultimately does not benefit the patient. 

What is absolutely frightening is that the system of payment for care and the system as a whole almost NEVER address the issue of VALUE of the care we get.

Value is the benefit and improved outcome of care, divided by the cost of the care. (VALUE = OUTCOME/COSTS).

Think of it this way.

If you paid for a fancy new car but it had no engine or no tires or didn't run when you put the key in the ignition, the car company would go out of business.

But in medicine in America today, we have a shiny new system that just doesn't run very well despite paying 40 percent more for healthcare than any other nation in the world.

That's almost $7,000 per person, or close to $2 trillion total (one-third of which is for administration costs).

In American healthcare, the outcome of that care is mostly ignored -- namely, the health of the patient!

In a landmark 2001 report from the Institute of Medicine called "Crossing the Quality Chasm: A New Health System for the 21st Century," the authors said:

"Between the healthcare we that we have now and the healthcare that we could have lies not just a gap, but a chasm."

So what is the real solution?

Even though I know where we need to end up, I don't have all the answers. 

But I do know this.

We have to change the competing needs in the healthcare industry and related industries. 

Promoting and treating sickness should not generate more profit.  Creating health should. 

So how can we, as a society, line up all the needs and interests of all stakeholders in our "sick" healthcare system?

If we follow the trail through our healthcare forest, it will be clear that an alignment of values, needs, and interests must occur if there is to be meaningful change.

It will also be clear that no one component can be separated from any other and that if we create change in one area of the system, often negative forces will fill in the blank space.

Let's follow the trail of a simple soda and French fries, for example.

The government subsidizes farmers to grow corn and soy crops with $30 billion a year, which fuels the fast and junk food industry with high-fructose corn syrup and trans fatty acids, which are used to produce energy-dense, poor-quality, disease-creating foods such as soda and French fries. (2)

At the same time, funds for local schools are limited.  So they cannot provide students with quality food choices and physical education.

Then the food industry steps in, encouraging children to subsist on nutrient-poor, energy-dense foods from vending machines for their breakfasts and lunches.

The marketing for these products exceeds $30 billion a year (more than $13 billion of which is aimed at children), increasing demand.

These are tax-deductible expenses to corporations, which are in effect further subsidies by our government.

These children, then, become obese and diabetic in their 20s and require care for heart disease and amputations before they are 30, for which the government in part must pay.

So what is the answer?

I know that with the creative intelligence and ingenuity of this country, we can find a solution. I don't know exactly what it is, but I do know this. 

As long as the any one party has to lose for another to win, we are doomed to failure.  In order for things to work, everyone has to win!

We have to make it profitable to improve the quality of our food supply, to encourage physical activity and to reduce stress in our lives.

When a hospital diabetes prevention program is so successful in helping patients improve their health and reduce amputations and complications of diabetes that it has to be shut down because the hospital LOSES money by charging only $60 for a nutrition consult instead of getting $6,000 for a toe amputation -- then we know something is seriously wrong with our incentives.

We have to make it profitable to help patients get healthy, and have business MAKE money by providing preventive care and lifestyle programs that create health.

The politics of food, agriculture, environment, and education cannot be divorced from the traditional healthcare stakeholders: patients, providers, insurers, employers, payers, and government.

We have to address the roots of the problems and create a system where everyone involved thrives.

And despite Michael Moore's laser focus on a single payer system as the answer to all our healthcare problems, we need a much broader and bigger change in healthcare.

What should those changes involve? I think this topic is so important that I'll be discussing it in next week's blog, too. Stay tuned!

Now I'd like to hear from you...

Have you seen "Sicko" yet?

What did you think?

What parts of the healthcare system do think need fixing most?

What ideas do you have for fixing our healthcare system?

What do you totally agree or disagree with?

Please click on the Add a Comment button below to share your thoughts.

To your good health,

Mark Hyman, M.D.

(1) Nestle, M. Food Politics: How the Food Industry Influences Nutrition and Health (California Studies in Food and Culture, 3). Berkeley, Calif: University of California Press; 2003.

(2) Bitton A, Kahn JG. MSJAMA: Government share of healthcare expenditures.
JAMA. 2003;289(9):1165.

I agree totally. I am frightened by the health care system. My dad had a successful surgery but died of hospital infections.

I recently went to my doctor to get the process going to fix my shoulder problem. I have severe pain and tingling in my right shoulder. I found out that I have arthritis in my neck. The doctor suggested therapy and chiropractic care as options, but gave me Vicodin for the pain. I will not take Vicodin. I am trying exercises to remedy the situation and went to a massage therapist who deals in healing therapies. The therapist wasn't covered by insurance, however. He helped, but I have a ways to go. I still haven't taken a Vicodin for pain.

by Anonymous at 08:27 AM on 07/27/07

Dr. Hyman,

Wow, a disappointing simplistic view of Moore's movie. You accept the major point of Moore's movie - that millions of people need access healthcare. You critique his solution - single payer - and but then don't offer anything more than "we need to do better."

But just the notion that everyone should have access to healthcare is a big deal, and one that many with interests in the current system don't accept. And those who are against changing the system will grab onto this kind of critique and use to not have change.

It's easy to attack Canada, but my Mom goes to them for her prescription drugs, because she saves 300/month. And, as it turns out, other countries that have a single payer system and spend less per capita than we do, have better healthcare - the US spends the most, but doesn't have the best. Canada spends far less than we do, that's why the doctors don't make as much, not because of single payer. But the results they get compared to what they pay should embarrass us.

I get your broader point - that preventive care is where it's at (of course I agree) and that you fear that "someone will lose" if we go to single payer. But right now millions and millions of people are losing. Insurance companies are doing great. Pharmaceutical companies are doing wonderfully. Businesses that don't provide healthcare to their employees are doing great. Do they need to keep "winning" in your formulation in order to have a successful new system?

by Anonymous at 08:30 AM on 07/27/07

I don't understand why you're going after Michael Moore so hard. From the tone of your blog it seems like you're expecting him to come up with a 'perfect' solution to the health care crisis in the US. First and foremost Michael Moore is not a doctor - but he is doing what US doctors are not doing; and that is, creating an awareness of an alternative to the medical and financial crisis many Americans face today.
You say the Canadian health care system is not all it's cracked up to be. Of course it's not perfect; but rest assured, as a Canadian (who has lived in the US) I do know that I will be able to get medical help when I need it. As a matter of fact, if it weren't for the Canadian medicare system, I would probably not be writing this reply today. Having free access to a physician and hospital when I need it, is something uninsured Americans do not have. Add to that - the insurance companies have a 'peak financial limit' for their clients - that means if your claim runs out - you will just have to die!! That in my opinion is criminal and they should be prosecuted. It is a given, that people will at one time or another need medical help; particularly the aged. I have heard too many horror stories of American losing their retirement incomes, homes and even their lives - because they cannot afford the astronomical medical fees and prescription drug costs in the US.
Don't misunderstand me here. I am not being anti-American - I'm just trying to correct your skewed representation of the Canadian medical system. On that note, yes we are losing many of our doctors to the US - it is certain doctors in the US make much more than they do in Canada. But on the other hand; we do know that the doctors who remain here .... are not just in it for the money. Yes, we have our flaws; but given the choice of no medical care - or being thrown out of a hospital - or being denied life saving surgery - or life saving medications - because I can't afford it; then give me the flawed Canadian system any day.

Yes you are right in stressing the importance of nutrition and lifestyle etc... Of course you are. But I believe that was not the issue concerning Michael Moore's movie Sicko.
I believe he is trying to demonstrate that every human being should have access to medical care when they need it. I'm curious to know why you did not mention France's health care system, that is recognized as one that works exceptionally well. Of course the populations (French, British, Canadian etc..) pay taxes that contribute directly to their health care system; and perhaps they are not perfect - but when compared with the terror or being aged and sick with little or no insurance in the US... there's no contest.

I believe the solution is right before your eyes. Offer Universal health care... and then get to work on educating the public - re: the benefits of nutrition and lifestyle.

And I think you owe Michael Moore an apology. You are busy shooting the messenger - instead of respecting the message.

I wonder if this will be shown?

Didi Miesen

Thank you

by Anonymous at 08:57 AM on 07/27/07

Moore made a movie with a solution for what he sees as a problem.

I think you wanted him to make your movie. He made his. Maybe you should make yours.

by Anonymous at 08:59 AM on 07/27/07

Thank you for your comments on Sicko. I have not seen it yet but I applaud Michael Moore for reinforcing the need for the debate which has also been highlighted by the democratic candidates for 2008. I appreciate your attempt to provide guidance, but I would like to see you reach out to Michael Moore and together create a coalition to draft ideas for improving our healthcare system. Clearly the problems are systematic and bigger than anyone person or organization. We need our best minds working together to improve healthcare which impacts not only our health but our competitiveness in the world.

by Anonymous at 09:04 AM on 07/27/07

I wish more people within the healthcare system would think like Dr. Hyman or voice their opinion louder if they share the same views. Unfortunately, until BiG Pharmacy and BiG Insurance companies are "fixed" our country will be stuck in the hampster wheel. In my belief, they are responsible for the monster of a healthcare system our country enjoys today. The only hope for change is by the consumers of healthcare and the providers themselves. Until the majority says enough is enough we will continue to have more of the same. Moore's film provides an initial step and a fresh approach at least for a vehicle of social change. Perhaps he will provide another look in a different film about how money does the talking in Big PHarm and Big Insurance, and how it trickles down (or in some cases doesn't "trickle" at all) until the consumer is drowning in its paradigm of red tape and monetary kick-backs. Dr. Hyman has an interesting point that it must be a "win/Win" situation before change can occur. However, clearly the American people are not winning and there are few within the healthcare system that are willing to point it out to us. If it remains easy and lucrative for doctors to dole out the drugs instead of finding the root of an illness, under Pavlov's theory, they will continue to do so and perpetuate disease. Perhaps medical schools should include a course on seeing the big picture along with a lecture on business ethics.
We have all become lazy. Doctors do what is easy and the patient accepts it because, after all, the patient doesn't have a medical degree. Surely what the doctor says is correct?! The American people must wake up and take a stand loudly and clearly. We deserve better and we, as a society, are most capable. However as long as the majority remain uninformed and seemingly disinterested our pitiful healthcare system is doomed. I say kudos to Michael Moore for at least bringing the issue of healthcare to mainstream media, for it is there the people will get the message, maybe even a wake up call.

by Anonymous at 09:14 AM on 07/27/07

I have not seen Sicko yet, but feel Michael Moore has brought this problem out in the open and we are at least talking about it. It starts at home teaching people how to eat, what to eat, in order to keep yourself and your family healthy. I put it this way, you take care of your car good oil, gas, maintenance. Maintenance to the body is the same. Its a machine also and needs good fuel to function. I am 60 years young and learned this lesson late in life but I learned it.

by Anonymous at 09:18 AM on 07/27/07

What a nasty hit piece (that completely misstates and oversimplifies Moore's movie). I'm extremely disappointed reading your comments, and you've just lost me as a reader/subscriber.

by Anonymous at 09:23 AM on 07/27/07

Excellent article!!!!!!

I totally agree.

by Anonymous at 09:27 AM on 07/27/07

I agree with your comments that more comes into play; being healthy comes through a number of factors: healthy eating, exercising, etc. However, your comments on the Canadian system are just outright wrong and you come off sounding like an agent of the HMOs.

I'm absolutely appalled that you make sweeping comments about the state of the Canadian system by saying that you are Canadian yourself.

Seriously, how about some numbers? How much did that "poor" doctor you worked with make a year? $200k? Yep, it's hard to live on $200k+ a year. The yearly Lamborgini purchase must really put a damper on things.

Why do doctors move to the US? They move to the US for the typical reasons: 1) atmosphere (climate, larger urban area, etc), 2) family, or 3) money.

Canadian doctor's aren't paid poorly. Let's see some actual numbers instead of giving the typical US media slant on our system and we'll see what you're comparing.

by Anonymous at 09:28 AM on 07/27/07

Your conclusions are correct. A few years ago, when I first heard that Moore was doing this movie, I published a challenge to him saying that if he was making a movie about the problems in the health care system, he needed to expose issues such as the ones you discussed (especially the problems associated with factory food). I never heard from him. Neither a publicly nor privately funded health care system will improve our health care. In an ideal world, doctors should be rewarded for having healthy patients, not sick. Kudos to you for exposing the same problems I found in the movie. Keep up the great work!
Pam Killeen, a fellow Canadian and co-author of the NY Times bestselling book, The Great Bird Flu Hoax, with Dr. Mercola.

by Anonymous at 09:41 AM on 07/27/07

Dr. Hyman,

I have not seen "Sicko" yet but I have been ill for the past 8 months (Valley Fever), and I know how frustrating and sad our health care system can be. I would like to see more emphasis on "wellness care" and less on treatment (kind-of) of disease. I would like to see the Government stay out of health care, however, as well as the insurance companies. How dare they say how we can be treated, by who or when. Universal Healthcare, a.k.a. Canada, doesn't work. There is a two year waiting period there for surgery.

I hope we can go back to the old way - competition, free choice, an Insurance industry that does NOT interfere with treatment, and a complete revamping of our legal system that allows so many frivolous lawsuits against doctors. The cost of malpractice insurance for them is outrageous.

We would probably improve our health-care system quite a bit if we got rid of all the lawyers, judges and politicians who profit from "punishing" them if they don't comply with "the rules".

One last thing - wouldn't our health care system improve a lot if we didn't have to wait so many years for the FDA to approve a new medicine, and for politics and religion to stay out of our science and discoveries being implemented?

I enjoy your newsletter - thank you.

Honey

P.S. Does anyone really believe that the same Government that can't protect our borders can direct and regulate our health-care?

by Anonymous at 09:43 AM on 07/27/07

Don't just criticze Michael Moore....send him your response and hope that it will educate him. He is at least drawing attention to the problem and can reach a much wider audience with your proposals for reform.

by Anonymous at 09:48 AM on 07/27/07

I did see Sicko. And yes, it overstates the glories of universal public health. But
You say:
" We have to make it profitable to help patients get healthy, and have business MAKE money by providing preventive care and lifestyle programs that create health."
I agree. But How? The devil is in the details. I'd love to hear a basic plan.
At least Moore addressed the fact that the Insurance companies and Big Pharma -with the help of some doctors- are knowingly committing people to death.
The major move in this century of American- subsidized business- 'greed is good, more greed is better' is a big mountain to move.
What are 'you' doing about it?
The newsletter is great and a good drop in the bucket, so thank you for that.
Sincerely
FBC

by Anonymous at 10:02 AM on 07/27/07

I have not seen the docu/movie "Sicko" but I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of our health care system.....corporations and physicians make their money from keeping us sick. Wellness, preventative medicine, alternative therapies, natural medicines are not encouraged and in some cases the government is trying to prevent citizens from participating in these highly effective treatments.

How sad that the healthiest foods (i.e organic) are the most expensive..how can the average American pay for healthy food....Hamburger helper costs less then buying organic fruits and veggies...which would you choose when you are making minimun wage and trying to raise a family?

I have read both of your books....most recently "The Ultrasimple Diet"....and again wholeheartedly agree with all you have to say...and you even provide healthy food as part of the diet that can be purchased online....but I and many people cannot afford your prices....again I guess health is only for the rich...the rest of use I guess will have to wallow in our fat.

by Anonymous at 10:05 AM on 07/27/07

I appreciate your medical insight into the Michael Moore "expose". As a citizen who is cognizant of my responsibility to myself in keeping my body healthy, it is good to know that his whole premise is full of holes and doesn't address the real issue. In ancient times, Eastern philosophy was that doctors were paid to maintain you healthy. Our society has it all backwards!! Thank you for your viewpoints and concrete comments.

by Anonymous at 10:16 AM on 07/27/07

i think michael moore is a self promoting idiot who has a particular simplistic view that doesn't take into account true "facts" but pushes the simple solution to complex problems.. i pity the poor people who think he is a genius. he is simply a manipulative self important soulless being. in "bowling for columbine", for instance, there are numerous blogs disputing his presentation of gun facts. he finally had to admit he quoted people out of context, distorted the facts, etc. yet certain people still think he is a genius and a true documentarian. nothing can be further from the truth,

by Anonymous at 10:16 AM on 07/27/07

Dear Dr. Hyman,

I think describing SiCKO as "flat out wrong" is very excessively harsh, especially since I don't think that your opinion is all that far off from the core issues presented in Michael Moore's film.

Were you expecting ONE man (i.e. Mr. Moore) to come up with THE solution to health care? If so, you missed the point of the movie entirely - which was to get people focused on the issues and come up with an AMERICAN solution to the problem, taking the best of these other systems and working out the details to fit OUR needs.

I agree with you totally that QUALITY is a MAJOR issue that needs to be addressed as well, and you even used an example from the British system taken directly from SiCKO. So, why do you say that point was not addressed in the film?

You also mention profitability; this is the wrong focus on health care, the main focus of which should be HEALTH and CARE. Profitability should not supersede BASIC CARE for all Americans.

Mr. Moore has mentioned to others that he feels a single payer system should be regulated "like a utility." Utilities ARE profitable, but they are not the insane profits now made by insurance companies denying care to Americans and pharmaceutical industries pushing drugs that are marginally needed and marginally safe while ignoring "unprofitable" illnesses and allowing many to die due to their own greed for greater profitability.

No one suggested that quality should be ignored in health care, just the opposite, as your example from SiCKO showed. However, before a healing of the sick system can be achieved, it first has to be removed from the jaws of the predators that are inflicting the wounds in the first place, and then brought to a safe place where treatment can be administered and healing can take place.

It is this first step that Mr. Moore is advocating in SiCKO, and he is strongly suggesting that the rest of us get involved in getting this process started. Other details can be tweaked when the system is safely out of reach of the predatory influence.

However, I think you will also have to realize that your perspective from Lenox (a fairly wealthy area) is a lot different from the experience of those in, say, Springfield, where some may be choosing between buying food, OR paying the rent, OR health care, and cannot afford many (or any) expensive health products to increase the "quality" of their lives. BASIC care first.

Also, forcing people to BUY insurance by law (as was just passed in Massachusetts) does not address the problem either, for the same reason, above. People will still be forced to choose between basic needs, and many will be forced to default on their insurance "premiums." How can the legislators NOT see that? And what will they do? Deny them health care? That is NO improvement and is symptomatic of the way wealthy people see the poor. They just DO NOT understand.

I would really like to see the two of you, i.e. you and Mr. Moore, get together and have a discussion of the issues some REAL solutions, as you suggest. It appears you have something in common and something more to say and I would like to hear it.

Sincerely, Emily Daniels

by Anonymous at 10:16 AM on 07/27/07

i think michael moore is a self promoting idiot who has a particular simplistic view that doesn't take into account true "facts" but pushes the simple solution to complex problems.. i pity the poor people who think he is a genius. he is simply a manipulative self important soulless being. in "bowling for columbine", for instance, there are numerous blogs disputing his presentation of gun facts. he finally had to admit he quoted people out of context, distorted the facts, etc. yet certain people still think he is a genius and a true documentarian. nothing can be further from the truth,

by Anonymous at 10:17 AM on 07/27/07

I think the only effective solution to our healthcare woes, when it comes to 'encouraging' better care for patients, is to simply eliminate all protections which currently shield health care providers from being held FULLY accountable for any DAMAGES they inflict on their patients.

In nearly any other case, anyone who causes THIS level of damage to another human being, would be facing serious penalties, even possible jail time. I see no reason why it should be any different, in the case of doctors. They should have to compensate fully, face potential jail time for serious cases of wrongdoing and/or neglect, and they should lose their license to practice medicine as well, in the case of the latter, without exceptions.

As it stands now, most doctors in the US are allowed to go on committing abuses and inflicting damage on their patients, with little or no accountability, for decades! This is just not right, and it gives them the sense that they can pretty much get away with ANYTHING. We've even had instances in this country, where doctors have participated in secret gov't experiments, which maimed and killed many people, or instances where some medical professionals knowingly cooperated with the gov't in 'covering up' illnesses and conditions caused by exposure to clandestine bio-weapons experiments! (see the history of 'The Syphilus Experiments' and former 'Clandestine Radiation Experiments', which were once clandestinely performed on unsuspecting American citizens. While some would assume this could never happen again, I would NEVER assume the same sort of things couldn't happen again, and might even be happening, at this very moment, considering how little accountability was demanded, when the above instances became public knowledge. In fact, all of the doctors who participated in these 'experiments', continued to practice medicine, even after these matters were brought to court, and very little in 'equitable compensation' was offered to their victims, because the gov't continued to shield them from accountability, in exchange for their 'cooperation'.) This is one more circumstance which has given many medical professionals the sense that they are 'above the law', and need not subscribe to any ethical or moral limits in their practice. (since some of the unethical and immoral acts they have been committing, have been fully sanctioned, by our own gov't!) It is very dangerous to give anyone this kind of 'power' over our lives, and I think it's wholly unacceptable.

This last issue also points to a general problem with our gov't, which clearly does not have the level of dedication to preserving and protecting the health of it's own citizens, that it should! And this fact is manifested, at many levels of our society, not just in the one example cited above. Another example would be the way our gov't continues to turn a blind eye to the tobacco industry, continuing to allow the manufacture and sale of a product which has been proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, to be a complete danger to public health - because for them, the bottom line is the MONEY this product generates, which they are, to some extent, benefiting from, in the form of tax revenue which is flowing into government coffers, from the proceeds of this business. This indicates that the 'priorities' of our nation are far askew, when our own gov't places more value on the dollar bill, than on the health and safety of the citizens it has sworn to protect. In fact, one might even say this a violation of the oath of office they swore to, when they took office, and it could perhaps even be viewed as a form of TREASON against American citizens!

Obviously, the above circumstances point to a problem that is far larger than just the health care system. There seems to be a general breakdown of moral and ethical practices (which are conducive to the health and well being of American citizens) ACROSS THE BOARD, AT ALL LEVELS OF OUR SOCIETY.

This is also the basic problem that is causing protections related to our food supply, to break down. Similar to the situation with the doctors, all those who produce and market unhealthy products to American consumers, should likewise be held fully accountable, facing the possibility of having to pay equitable compensation, spending some real time in jail, and being deprived of their right to continue doing business in the food industry, if they are shown to have abused that right, to the point where the health of Americans has been adversely effected.

There is no good reason why anyone in America should be ALLOWED to market products which cause damage to the health of other human beings. Yet this is what is often happening, and we need to fully face the realities of the situation, and realize and accept that it is often being done, with full knowledge that the products they are marketing, pose a health risk to the public.

It's not going to stop, if we simply ask them 'nicely' to stop doing it.It's not going to stop, until people KNOW they will be held fully accountable for their actions. Not while there's money involved, and I don't think that issue is something that can be changed. People are going to continue those activities which are most profitable for them, and they're not going to cease doing so, until the PENALTIES are severe enough, that it is no longer 'worth it', to them... If they make a million dollars, but have to spend 10 years in jail, and compensate that amount, or more, for their actions, then I think they will quickly reconsider how they go about doing things....

Also, I don't think it would hurt to put some 'caps' on how much doctors are allowed to charge for their services. No way do I believe that the procedures they are performing, actually cost anywhere near as much as they are charging. They are currently enjoying some outrageously large profit margins, I suspect...

I'm not saying that doctors don't have a right to expect to make a good living, for the invaluable services they sometimes perform, but I do think it is somewhat immoral and unethical to expect to 'get rich' from providing necessary health care to fellow citizens, which seems to be how things are now.

The medical profession is not like other 'jobs', there is a moral and ethical responsibility which SHOULD be inherent in this profession, since they are holding people's very lives and health, in their hands. So this is not a profession which should EVER be viewed simply as a cozy way to 'make lots of money'. The public good should be the top priority. I think reasonable and realistic caps on prices they charge for services, could go a long way towards addressing this problem.

by Anonymous at 10:19 AM on 07/27/07

Michael Moore has brought the problems of the health care system to the forefront the way Al Gore has opened society's eyes to global warming. Of course you are right about fixing the real causes of poor health in Americans. But this is a totally separate issue from what "Sicko" was about. This movie was about not having choices. Remember, health care isn't always just about poor nutrition. Sometimes people get hit by a bus and need surgery. And they have a basic human right to get it. This is the point Moore was making. He is the first to agree that major renovation is needed to get Americans to eat healthier and stem the problems before they begin. In fact, he has said that his own movie inspired him to eat healthier and he's lost 30 pounds. I'm sure, people who just don't like Michael Moore won't listen to the message -- the same way they put their heads in the sand about global warming because it was Al Gore who made the documentary. That's a childish and close-minded attitude and will only further block any hope of all of us working together to solve these two life-threatening issues.

by Anonymous at 10:38 AM on 07/27/07

Dr. Hyman:

I don't like Mr. Moore because I don' like his politics, however, as several of your commentors have suggested, Moore could be well served through some education in natural medicine.

Perhaps he could make a movie, without going to Cuba, that would hit up hard on improved medicine through proper nutrition including supplements. I know that the movie made a few years ago on treating microbes and poor nutrition and lack of general care as portrayed in "Osmosis Jones", and I believe another similar film were excellent about bringing this type of message to adults but more especially to children.

To our good health,

M.C.R.

by Anonymous at 10:40 AM on 07/27/07

Amen, brother!

by Anonymous at 10:45 AM on 07/27/07

I am a Canadian living in Canada, and while I agree that the North American medical system is antiquated in its approach, it is still better for the masses than no health care at all. My perfect world is functional medicine practiced by medical professionals in a multi-tiered hierarchy to optimize the efficiency of the process - but in the meantime, I need to know that I can go in for risky surgery at a moments notice rather than stay home and die from a medical problem that could have been resolved.

Perhaps the solution is to maintain the emergency/hospital system with only minor quality improvement initiatives and re-vamp the entire general practice industry.

Either way, at least we're talking about it.

by Anonymous at 10:45 AM on 07/27/07

I totally agree with your comments. I have not viewed Sicko as I fell Michael Moore never gets it right.

Anyway, I have worked alongside the Health Care system foir over 30 years. I am a manager in the Diagnostic Imaging industry., Our systems are only there to help diagnose disease. So more money is made if you are sick with heart disease or some other illness than if you had been treated and tiaught on to stay healthy.

For many years I have asked Dr. why we don't do more for prevention so we don't need so much cure. Always a shrug of the shoulders.

by Anonymous at 10:46 AM on 07/27/07

There are slow advance coming from software and programs that help patients manage their own healthcare and educate themselves on their conditions. The health payers (insurance companies) are the only ones with financial incentives to reduce the cost through better health, BUT they still focus on reducing care engagements rather that focus mostly on the true health of their insureds.

by Anonymous at 10:50 AM on 07/27/07

I saw the movie and I was disappointed too. And for the same reason., Doctors should not be paid if they can't make the patient well. I found my own wellness to fibromyalgia through a doctor (MD) who was selling glyconutrients and after 32 years of pain and suffering my pain was gone and I felt like a new person. Just recently I tested it to make sure that I had to keep taking it. I went off it completely for a week and a half. This morning I felt almost as bad as I had for the previous 32 years. I will not go off it again. I am on SS so I do my shopping at Thrift Shops and am very frugal with the money I do have. The only thing that ever gets charged on a credit card is the glyconutrients that come once a month and any repairs that my car might need. My husband and I saw first hand the medical system in Germany. My husband was head doctor of a dispensary in the town where we were stationed. He was always complaining about all the time that the German locals that worked in the dispensary had off when they were sick and how much vacation time they were allowed under their system. He did not realize that it was much better than our system. These people were given time to recover and vacation time to get away from the stress that causes so many of the illnesses that we Americans get. They were great workers at the dispensary and they stayed healthy thanks to the way their medical system worked. My husband worked from sun up to sun down and I suffered from his stress. I was the one who got sick and I divorced him as I knew if I stayed around him I would just get worse. He was not all bad but he could not see the forest for the trees.
Jan Newhouse

by Anonymous at 10:52 AM on 07/27/07

The Health Care "industry" is connected with the other industry's such as the drug industry, medical industry, food industry, hospital industry and media industry. None of these "industry's" have any real intention of curing your illnesses as they would lose MONEY. The best way to stop their money machine is to stop paying for health care insurance like I did about 20 years ago. Spend your money on real health by getting some books on natural healing and buy organic foods and locally grown free range meats, eggs, raw milk, raw butter,etc.
If enough people stopped paying for health insurance doctors, drug companys, etc. would have to lower the cost that they charge. I was told by our family doctor many years ago to stay away from doctors and hospitals and I would live to be 120 years old.

by Anonymous at 10:52 AM on 07/27/07

First of all, thank you Dr. Hyman for your impassioned comments. I am glad there are physicians that are concerned about how people stay healthy. I hope your numbers are growing.

Physicians are typically (correct me if I am wrong) schooled very well in preventive medicine - health promotion, and nutrition.

Educating providers would be one step that is necessary. There are mid-level providers who seem to do a better overall job of this -
the PAs and nurse practitioners, and nurse-midwives.

I saw Michael's movie and absolutely applaud his efforts. He showed real people talking about their health care systems in Canada and France. He didn't put words into their mouths.

This is a starting place. Not the entire solution. If you waited for all the "players" to agree and wait for the win-win scenario, well... when H.... freezes over is all I have to say about that.

This is probably not going to be a play nice stituation. Change is painful.

I am a health professional who sees that the allopathic approach is really not in everyone's interest. I agree this health care system has terrible flaws in providing quality health care.

If you are a consumer of health care, please be your own best advocate and become educated about your options. I believe the majority of MDs give the best care they can under the circumstances they work in.

What the insurance industry demands from them is certainly an underpinning of how they deliver care. That's why it's critical to change that piece.

by Anonymous at 10:57 AM on 07/27/07

First of all, thank you Dr. Hyman for your impassioned comments. I am glad there are physicians that are concerned about how people stay healthy. I hope your numbers are growing.

Physicians are typically (correct me if I am wrong) schooled very well in preventive medicine - health promotion, and nutrition.

Educating providers would be one step that is necessary. There are mid-level providers who seem to do a better overall job of this -
the PAs and nurse practitioners, and nurse-midwives.

I saw Michael's movie and absolutely applaud his efforts. He showed real people talking about their health care systems in Canada and France. He didn't put words into their mouths.

This is a starting place. Not the entire solution. If you waited for all the "players" to agree and wait for the win-win scenario, well... when H.... freezes over is all I have to say about that.

This is probably not going to be a play nice stituation. Change is painful.

I am a health professional who sees that the allopathic approach is really not in everyone's interest. I agree this health care system has terrible flaws in providing quality health care.

If you are a consumer of health care, please be your own best advocate and become educated about your options. I believe the majority of MDs give the best care they can under the circumstances they work in.

What the insurance industry demands from them is certainly an underpinning of how they deliver care. That's why it's critical to change that piece.

by Anonymous at 10:59 AM on 07/27/07

With all due respect, as I have the highest admiration for you and the important work you are doing, I really wish you modified your position with respect to "Sicko". Unlike you, I did not see the "take away" message of the film as suggesting that the USA should model any one particular country's universal health care system in how they "deliver" health care. Moore was not trying to say that in the film. The bigger message, elegantly presented throughout in various ways, is that we have to decide if we are a ME society or a WE society. I would suggest that Moore if he wanted to, or some other film maker could, make a sequel to the film and present everything that is wrong with how we deliver healthcare - a huge subject. Moore gave us a look at what happens when the wealthiest country on the planet creates a for-profit health care system. Now we need a good look at just how this affects all of us. For instance, I just learned about a form of healing light therapy that has been approved and practiced widely in Europe for the last 20 years called bioptron light therapy. Yet in this country it has only been approved for cosmetic use to treat acne, wrinkles and scars. When you see the list of ailments they treat, you understand why, as Big Pharma rules here and a goverment for and by the people does not! Everyone - go see "Sicko" ASAP!! I would have preferred to see you support this film, urge your readers to see it AND think about how a universal single payer healthcare system could work in this country when we alter the profit motives.

by Anonymous at 11:09 AM on 07/27/07

Dr. Hyman,

Your blog was wonderful, thank you. But like many of those who have already posted, I wish you hadn't titled it as you did. And for those of you who have posted before me who hadn't even seen the movie and yet denigrated it, you are not in a position to weigh in on this matter. Go see the movie, and then criticize it.

I did the documentary and, while Moore isn't able to do everything in 2 hours, he accomplished quite a lot! He DID address incentives, which is the same as your claim. But he does not have your expertise as an insider. I also believe strongly that he was trying, as best as he could, to NOT alienate doctors. He was addressing the system itself, and my guess it was aimed mostly at the government. He has since spoken during interviews about how much respect he has for the medical profession (the men and women themselves).

I, like others, who have posted, would love to see the two of you work together. You have important insight into the problem that MM doesn't have. But he has the ability to reach millions of people (which you do too, but not to the extent that he does). And so think of what a powerful team you would make!! You are both on the same team. His main concern was ACCESS. He rightly pointed out that we now have a 2-tiered system: the haves and the have-nots. Moore has ALWAYS been about justice for poor people. And so he came at the problem through a different door. Your concern is QUALITY. Work together!

The best way for that to happen is by adopting a more collegial attitude. So, now that I have outlined that, let me say that I am thrilled with both you and Michael Moore. Thank you both for talking about these issues, and working to change a very broken system. I, for one, feel blessed that I have read your books, and have adopted the UM lifestyle. My life has changed in ways that are amazing and I am so thankful and grateful for all of your efforts. But to solve this huge problem we need all of you, the Hyman team and the Moore team, to work together.

by Anonymous at 11:19 AM on 07/27/07

Hi I also just watched sicko and am a canadian. Is a government paid system the only answer to health care problems absolutely not, but it does make it available to everyone. The one basic premise in Canada is your life is not more valuable if you make more money. Everyone is intitled to health care regardless of your earnings. This is a basic right that should be in all countries. So I do agree alot of work needs to be done to improve things, but I also strongly believe all should have equal access to it. Early detection often saves lives people will go to doctors for annual check ups if it is free. Also after having a serious illness or accident makes it alot easier to recover if your not worried about paying bills and focus on getting better. Healthcare should be a right not a privledge.

by Anonymous at 11:26 AM on 07/27/07

sad that you would deprive yourself of so much life-enriching, health-enhancing information and storm out of this community because your ego got the best of you.

Take a look at some of the comments from others who probably share your point of view but have chosen to make a contribution to the debate rather than identifying with negative emotions. Your loss...

by Anonymous at 11:45 AM on 07/27/07

Hi there,
I like your comments "BUT" I feel that we need to get rid of most Health insurance since many people abuse it. I saw how it was abused at Bethlehen Steel when I worked there years ago. Some workers would go to the medical clinic for every little thing. One time I smacked my shin very hard on an obsticle in my path while I was operating a crane. My boss ordered me to go get it taken care of at the medical clinic and every day all week long I had to go there to get a large amount of bandage put on it instead of a small patch. On friday I told the nurse that I would take it off right after work and by monday it would be healed up because air could get at it and no vasolene would be on it. This was many yeas ago BUT was a BIG waste of money even then. I dropped my health insurace about 20 years ago because I was paying over $800.00 per year with a $5,000.00 deductable and "never" used it!!! Instead I learned how to stay healthy through healthy ways of eating, etc.
There was no health insurance back before 1950 and you had doctors charging $2.00 for a visit and that was even for house calls. If there was no health insurance today you wouldn't see people going for every test out there because they would have to PAY FOR IT. I have a friend that does this all the time because he wants to get his moneys worth for what he pays in insurance.
I learned back in the 60s when I was at Temple University and lived in Phi Roe Sigma medical frat. house because it was cheap that the interns there only got 8 hours on neutrition. They said that due to all the money the "drug industry" provided for their education they learned mostly about drugs and cutting people up. The interns would come to me for advice on vitamins they could take to stay healthy. I was shocked by this and that was how I learned about the drug industry.
I think a better health insurance plan would be to have a hefty deductable included in the plan to stop people from abusing it. More people would finally take responsibility for their own health and stop eating all the "junk foods" etc.
Rod Stoeckel

by Anonymous at 11:46 AM on 07/27/07

I agree 100% with your assessment, and would like to add that we, the people, are
also at fault. Our lives are so busy and
stressful that we don't have time to think
about our health, learn how to stay healthy, or take the time to do those things that are healthy. Instead we buy into the quick fix:
quick foods, quick drugs, the quick solution.
We take ourselves and our kids to the doctors
for a quick fix because we don't want to deal with it. Added to this are the doctors who prescribe the "quick fix" and the drug
companies that promote it. We all need to
turn our thinking around. Perhaps educating
parents and children in school would be helpful.

by Anonymous at 11:46 AM on 07/27/07

Tell that to the person who has cancer or is genetically disposed to heart failure. Maybe you could go to hospitals and let the pedestrian who was hit by a drunk driver know that its their fault.

Or god forbid that people become OLD.

No wonder Americans are so sue-happy. I always thought it was because people were greedy; I never imagined that it was because people are trying to finance themselves back to health.

by Anonymous at 11:52 AM on 07/27/07

I haven't seen "Sicko" yet. I do agree with you, Dr. It's not a quick fix and one payor for all healthcare is a big mistake! Who would that payor be? Most likely the Federal government. There are many things they currently run that I do not think they are doing a very good job with, so to trust them with the entire healthcare industry is very scary to me.
I do however, think that if there were a way to get rid of heath insurance all together, the quality of care would get better. -Or at least have the room to get better. If the insurances weren't there to put so many rules (ridiculous ones at that) and raise premiums because they allow outragous lawsuits to pay out outragous sums, the cost of healthcare would go down drastically. I also think people should be responsible for their own healthcare -including the payments of it! If a doctor is ordering a procedure on you and you don't think it's neccessary, why on earth would you not say so!!??

by Anonymous at 12:34 PM on 07/27/07

I agree with you 100%. My husband was almost near death to finally find out after 3 years that he has celiac disease. The doctors performed every test posssible etc. to find out what was wrong with him and even though he had every symtom of celiac disease they never tested for it! He is recovering, but it ook a lot out of him.
We were at a business seminar a few months back and there was a great speaker there named Barry Asmus who is an ecomomist. He was right on about what he said about our healthcare system. His solution is to let people pay for health care they buy by establishing health savings accounts(HSAs). In a nutshell people would pay for their everyday medical expenses and we would only have insuance for catastophic medical cost. More like the dental industry works. The whole idea is to make the system competitive. There is not enough time to explain his ideas here, but you can check them out in chapter Thirteen of his book "Bulls Don't Blush".

by Anonymous at 12:35 PM on 07/27/07

I agree with you 100%. My husband was almost near death to finally find out after 3 years that he has celiac disease. The doctors performed every test posssible etc. to find out what was wrong with him and even though he had every symtom of celiac disease they never tested for it! He is recovering, but it ook a lot out of him.
We were at a business seminar a few months back and there was a great speaker there named Barry Asmus who is an ecomomist. He was right on about what he said about our healthcare system. His solution is to let people pay for health care they buy by establishing health savings accounts(HSAs). In a nutshell people would pay for their everyday medical expenses and we would only have insuance for catastophic medical cost. More like the dental industry works. The whole idea is to make the system competitive. There is not enough time to explain his ideas here, but you can check them out in chapter Thirteen of his book "Bulls Don't Blush, Bears Don't Die."

by Anonymous at 12:39 PM on 07/27/07

Our health care system is such a huge problem it's hard to know where to start when searching for solutions to fixing it. I think first that the FDA's power needs to be severely curtailed. They are a big source of corruption and corruption of power in our country (for an explanation of this comment - see Kevin Trudeau's books). They are actually trying to put all manufacturers of supplements and nutrional products out of business! Second, I think our whole health care system needs to focus on preventative health and educating the public on that topic. Third, I agree that doctor's should be paid a bonus for keeping people healthy (as oppposed to writing prescriptions for drugs that make them more and more sick while supposedly alleviating their symptoms). Fourth, the food industry needs to be more closely scrutinized by the public - they should not be allowed to put additives in food that are not on the label, etc. Fifth, people should get a tax credit for keeping themselves healthy, or at least trying their best to in spite of our toxic environment.Sixth, organic food producers should receive a tax incentive, so that the consumer doesn't have to pay so much more for their products.

by Anonymous at 12:56 PM on 07/27/07

I think you are overlooking one important point, one which I DO think Mr. Moore attempted to bring out in his movie: The health care industry's profit motive will change dramatically once their industry becomes "socialized."

Today our health care system PROFITS from administering more costly procedures. We need to create a system that doesn't benefit from such actions but rather controls loss by keeping people healthier.

The whole point behind Canada and France's health care solutions is that they took profit motive away from the greedy corporations. Once their systems were standardized it became less costly to keep people healthy than to keep them sick. That's one of the major points of the movie!

You make reference to how our system today is broken because there is more PROFIT derived from $6000 toe amputations vs $60 diet counseling. Think about how that will turn around when the COST to society is $60 vs $6000! We won't have to come up with a way to solve that problem - like a heavy keel, the industry will self rite.

When the health care industry stops thinking about profits and earnings and starts thinking about the most efficient way to manage patient well-being then we will be on the way toward a better system. The only way that can happen is if we take commercial interests out of the prognosis.

by Anonymous at 01:03 PM on 07/27/07

Michael Moore is an ass and I would never see one of his movies even if I were paid for it. But I completely agree with you about the real healthcare problem in this country, Dr. Hyman.

by Anonymous at 01:10 PM on 07/27/07

Great points and I agree. You ask, "What ideas do you have for fixing our healthcare system?" One could come up with a list of “should do”s. But as ordinary citizens, saying what we SHOULD do has little or nothing to do with what are country WILL do. If we can't see that this is a political issue, our eyes are closed. A broken healthcare system is really just a symptom of a broken governmental system. Healthcare is like many other societal issues: The long term welfare of the people needs to be balanced with the affects on the economy. But the scales are tipped heavily on the side of the economy. Money talks and our legislators of BOTH parties listen. Our legislators are not working for US, the people - they're working for corporate America and special interest groups. They are mired in a “good ole boy” system in which the rich respond to pressure from the rich (money talks LOUDLY) to keep them rich or make them richer. It’s going to take a revolution: The ammunition of the corporations is money – the ammunition of the people is the vote. But the changes that are needed to fix healthcare (and government in general) will never happen as long as the people are apathetic. The lobbyists make effective use of their money while the people waste their votes – either by not voting at all, or by voting for incumbents simply because they “recognize their names”. And we the people need to quit believing that replacing the party in power with the other party is going to get the system fixed. Of course, there are some good people in congress, but if every single senator and representative were replaced today by conscientious citizens who wanted to fix the system, that would open the gates to tremendous progress. The rich and powerful love two-party politics. Two party politics has polarized the people so much that we no longer have a voice at all. We the people, in order to take our government back, need to stop voting by party and elect representatives who will stop playing partisan p